Have I been transferred to another list?By accident, perhaps? Or have
I missed something? What have angels to do with OA?
Btw, being on the side of angels is an old Talmudic expression, I
thought.
Johannes (Jan) J M Velterop
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On 30 Jun 2010, at 18:08, "Hamaker, Charles" <cahamake_at_UNCC.EDU> wrote:
> google books
>
> The Journal of Hellenic studies - Page 195
> 1818
> It is characteristic of Mr. Glover's catholic treatment that, although
> he is on the side of the angels all the time,
> http://books.google.com/books?id=KVPQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA195&dq=%22side+of+the
> +angels
> %22&hl=en&ei=M3crTMPnKsP38AaXnPTRCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result
> &resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ
>
> The works of Lord Byron: with his letters and journals, and his
> life -
> Page 202 1839
> It was taken for granted that Lucifer was the mouthpiece of Byron,
> that
> the author of Don Juan was not "on the side of the angels."
> http://books.google.com/books?id=xyuaAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA202&dq=%22side+of+the
> +angels
> %22&hl=en&ei=M3crTMPnKsP38AaXnPTRCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result
> &resnum=3&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAg
>
>
> etc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: American Scientist Open Access Forum
> [mailto:AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG]
> On
> Behalf Of C Oppenheim
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: AMERICAN-SCIENTIST-OPEN-ACCESS-FORUM_at_LISTSERVER.SIGMAXI.ORG
> Subject: Re: Royal Society Endorses Immediate Green OA Self-Archiving
>
> To my knowledge, Disraeli's was the first use of the idiom.
>
> Charles
> ________________________________________
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> Behalf
> Of Stevan Harnad [amsciforum_at_GMAIL.COM]
> Sent: 30 June 2010 15:13
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> Subject: Re: Royal Society Endorses Immediate Green OA Self-Archiving
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:30 AM, C Oppenheim <C.Oppenheim_at_lboro.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed, Disraeli made the remarks at Oxford 25 November 1864, and
> his words were reported in The Times the following day.
>
> That Disraeli said it on November 25, 1864 is uncontested. The
> question is whether that was when the idiom was born, for that purpose
> and in that context (Darwinism), or was he simply using an idiom that
> already had a long history, in the more general sense the dictionary
> notes below.
>
> Chrs, Stevan
>
>> On 2010-06-30, at 12:04 AM, Joseph Esposito wrote:
>>
>>> No comment about the Royal Society's practices, but perhaps a
>>> listmember can assist in the origin of the phrase "the side of
>>> the angels." My understanding is that the phrase was uttered by
>>> Benjamin Disraeli in a speech in which he challenged Darwin's
>>> theory (law?) of evolution. To be on the side of the angels was
>>> to oppose the idea that people descended from apes. To be on the
>>> side of the angels thus means to oppose science.
>>>
>>> If I have my history wrong, I would like to be corrected.
>>>
>>> If I am correct, however, it would be more appropriate for
>>> Professor Harnad to say that the Royal Society was on the side of
>>> the apes.
>>
>> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/on+the+side+of+the+angels
>> "on the side of the angels"
>> supporting what is kind, right, or good
>> "She was on the side of the angels even though it was neither
> profitable nor popular."
>> See also: angel, side
>> Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright (c) Cambridge
> University Press 2006. Reproduced with permission.
>>
>> Joseph's etymology for the idiom may or may not be right. (I rather
> suspect the idiom pre-dated Darwin.)
>>
>> That said, I'd be only to happy to see a green policy on Open Access
> self-archiving as being on the side of our fellow-hominids, the apes!
>>
>> I am right now attending a summer institute on the origins of
>> language
> -- http://www.summer10.isc.uqam.ca/page/programme.php -- and happily
> supporting the hypothesis that language created our "Cognitive
> Commons,
> "and could never even have arisen, let alone have conferred its untold
> mutual benefits on our species, had we, from the outset, clammed up
> rather than spoken (or gestured, rather) freely, for all to see and
> hear... (Paid consultations, keynotes and how-to books came only much
> later.)
>>
>> Poynder, R. (2007) From Glottogenesis to the Category Commons. The
> Basement Interviews.
>>
> http://ia361300.us.archive.org/13/items/The_Basement_Interviews/Stevan_H
> arnad_Interview.pdf
>>
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